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2yld
05-03-2008, 12:18 AM
(Could these be much uglier?)

Ohio's governor and lawmakers talk about the need to support electric vehicles.

But the first person who tried to register the best-selling electric vehicle in the United States had his title and registration pulled without ever getting the vehicle on the road - all because of the shape of its seats.

"They say it's not a motorcycle based on the Ohio definition," said Alan Fuller, a 46-year-old father of two and a computer technician for the National Weather Service in Wilmington, about 50 miles northeast of Cincinnati.

Ohio's ruling could threaten not only Fuller's car but electric three-wheelers made in Tallmadge and a handful of other gasoline and electric-powered vehicles that are growing more popular at a time of record fuel prices.

In February, Fuller received his Zap! Xebra pickup, a three-wheeled electric vehicle with a top speed of 40 mph and a 25-mile range. He paid $11,000 for it and quickly paid $773.99 in sales taxes. Title and registration fees cost him $31 more. A few days later, the motorcycle plate 43NQH sat on its back bumper.

It's no powerhouse, but the Xebra fit Fuller's needs.

"I live 3½ miles from work. My car doesn't even get warm going one way," he said.

Today, Fuller is trying to finalize the sale of the Xebra to a landscaper in Oregon, a state that will let her register the vehicle without incident.

About six weeks after he got his pickup from a dealer in Chicago, the Bureau of Motor Vehicles in Columbus sent Fuller a letter telling him to send the title back. His Xebra wasn't fit for Ohio roads. Read the letter here (PDF)

Josh Engel, chief legal counsel for the BMV, said Ohio supports alternative fuels and advanced vehicles, but state law is clear.

"It's not the first time that the law hasn't caught up with technology," Engel said.
Special to The Plain Dealer
The Zap! Xebra

Top speed: 40 mph

Range: 25 miles per charge

Starting Price: $11,000

Seats: Four in sedan model, two in the pickup version

Weight: 1,441 pounds empty, can carry up to 1,300 pounds of passengers and cargo

Length: 10 feet

Width: 5 feet (about 6 inches narrower than a Smart car)

Height: 5 feet, 1 inch

Federal vehicle classification: Motorcycle

Ohio vehicle classification: Unknown

The key issue was the Xebra's motorcycle status. Federal regulators defines a motorcycle as any motorized vehicle with three or fewer wheels and a saddle or a seat. Ohio law says a motorcycle has to have a saddle.

With a traditional car seat, the BMV ruled that the Xebra wasn't a motorcycle. It also wasn't a car or anything else. It couldn't be titled for use on Ohio roads.

Winning motorcycle status is key for electric vehicle manufacturers. Motorcycles don't need airbags or other safety devices, and they can go faster. Four-wheeled neighborhood electric vehicles can go no faster than 25 mph.

Myers Motors of Tallmadge sells a three-wheel electric vehicle called the NmG (no more gas) that can go 76 mph. The single-passenger vehicle costs $36,000, but company owner Dana Myers said he's working to get the cost down this year.

It is the only highway-legal electric vehicle on sale in the United States.

Tom Hunter, communications director for the BMV, said his agency is working with Myers and the governor's office to come up with a short-term solution to the titling problem.

Simply changing the state's interpretation of a saddle won't solve the problem, Engel said. If the state allows Xebra and NmG owners to register vehicles as motorcycles, drivers would have to get motorcycle endorsements on their licenses.

"That means for the first year you're driving, you'd be considered provisional and you'd have to wear a helmet inside the vehicle," he said.

The ruling has already had a chilling effect on the sale of electric vehicles in Ohio.

Dick Staley, owner of electric vehicle dealership North Central Zenn in New London, stopped selling Xebras this year. He still sells the Canadian-made Zenn four-wheel electric car.

He still sells Zap! vehicles to people in other states, but he said he wouldn't sell them to Ohio residents until he gets state assurances that people can get them titled.

"The people who are driving them now are the pioneers who are laying the groundwork for economically viable electric vehicles," Staley said.

Zap! Chairman Gary Starr said he has run into problems before with state definitions. California, where his company is based, also uses the "saddle" distinction for motorcycles.

But in every other case, regulators have favored the environmental benefits of electric vehicles over narrow interpretations of state laws.

"The No. 1 definition of a saddle is a seat that you put on an animal that you straddle," Starr said. "No motorcycle in the country could pass that definition."

Engel said the best solution to the problem would be legislative action. Lawmakers could craft rules that would allow registration of three-wheeled electric vehicles and eliminate the need of a motorcycle helmet.

"It seems to make more sense to find a way to define what exactly these vehicles are," he said.

Although he's given up on the Xebra, Fuller said he isn't ready to call it quits when it comes to getting an electric pickup. A kit to convert an old Chevrolet pickup into an electric vehicle costs about $9,500.

"The S10 would be a regular licensed vehicle that the state could not whine about," Fuller said.

ErnieS
05-03-2008, 12:38 PM
Electric vehicles make very little sense as far as emissions and energy savings.
You need oil to generate the electricity and that process is no where near 100% efficient. Then you have transmission line losses, the inefficiency of the battery charging and you still have to convert the battery power into work. While there may be marginal overall savings, the inconvenience associated with limited range and accessibility to charging facilities make EV's impractical. Even if charging stations were as common as gas stations, the demand would push the price of all electricity through the roof. Once again our zeal to protect the environment from an imaginary foe would end up damaging the economy far worse than any benefit derived.

foxyrider
05-03-2008, 03:32 PM
now if the enegey was from a solar panel on the vehical, that would work.

ErnieS
05-03-2008, 04:43 PM
Cheaper and cleaner, but even less practical.

I'm sorry boss. I won't be in today. It's cloudy.

thatbikerguy
05-03-2008, 05:08 PM
Looks like a "tricked out golf cart".

Ejectr
05-03-2008, 10:08 PM
As I said many times before to several people..."we don't need a new vehicle...we need a new fuel!"

And these people have the answer. I recently contacted them and they will be starting a new manufacturing plant in Michigan. They said they should be up and running by summer.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

ErnieS
05-04-2008, 08:37 AM
The problem with hydrogen powered vehicles is that it currently takes twice as much energy to produce the hydrogen as can be derived from it. Range is also limited by the weight of tanks needed to carry an ample supply.
It will be at least 10 years before H2 is a viable fuel.

Ejectr
05-04-2008, 10:36 AM
The problem with hydrogen powered vehicles is that it currently takes twice as much energy to produce the hydrogen as can be derived from it. Range is also limited by the weight of tanks needed to carry an ample supply.
It will be at least 10 years before H2 is a viable fuel.

Read the WEB page Ernie. The system comes with a hydrogen generator that runs off a solar panel supplying the electricity for the electrolysis. You make your own hydrogen into your own tanks for free and the tanks weigh less than a scuba tank.

ErnieS
05-04-2008, 06:51 PM
I'll hunt up the article I read on the efficiency of hydrogen power. As I remember, the solar panels would be better used charging batteries to power the car.
Here's some useful information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy

Ejectr
05-04-2008, 08:38 PM
They ran a 1994 Corvette on 4 tanks of hydrogen in the Corvette's trunk and got a range of 650 miles on them.

The hydrogen generator is not part of the car system. It's a seperate unit that uses a solar panel for power to make the hydrogen and fill the spare tanks that you'd install when you take the one's you used up out of the vehicle. The cost of the hydrogen is "0". The cost of the electricity to manufacture the hydrogen is "0".

If getting fuel for free isn't economical, then I don't know what is. We're not talking about the corporate manufacture of hydrogen. This is exactly why these people are designing this unit, so they can knock corporate, fat cat, fat ass America on it's butt! Each person who has one of these would make their own fuel, not buy it from someone who's supplying it like our gasoline we buy.

We have to start thinking outside the box. We've been letting others do all our work for us for too long and now we're paying for it. We have to think of what WE can do to fix OUR problem.

Rewind
05-05-2008, 10:09 AM
As I said many times before to several people..."we don't need a new vehicle...we need a new fuel!"

And these people have the answer. I recently contacted them and they will be starting a new manufacturing plant in Michigan. They said they should be up and running by summer.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/


I agree we do need a new fuel and this just may be it. Looks promising but there's a long way to go yet.